Atlantis
89Was the super-civilisation Atlantis occupied by aliens? How was the city lost? Steven Andrews (the Bard of Ely) and CJ Stone look into the evidence behind the intriguing legend of Atlantis....
Plato
“...for these histories tell of a mighty power which unprovoked made an expedition against the whole of Europe and Asia, and to which your city put an end. This power came forth out of the Atlantic Ocean, for in those days the Atlantic was navigable… Now in this island of Atlantis there was a great and wonderful empire which had rule over the whole island and several others…”
With these words, from the dialogue of Timaeus, written in about 360 BC, the philosopher Plato would unwittingly launch a deluge of speculation, investigation, argument and counter-argument, that has lasted the better part of 2,500 years.
Plato said that Atlantis came to a catastrophic end about 9,500 BC when a great flood destroyed its cities and culture and all but wiped out its people. It’s capital was called Poseidon, after the sea-god, and it went under the waves "in a single day and night of misfortune.”
Later, in another dialogue, Plato went into more detail about what Atlantis might have looked like.
“At the centre of the island, near the sea, was a plain, said to be the most beautiful and fertile of all plains, and near the middle of this plain about fifty stades (9250 m) inland a hill of no great size... There were two rings of land and three of sea, like cartwheels... in the centre was a shrine sacred to Poseidon and Cleito, surrounded by a golden wall through which entry was forbidden.”
What Plato describes at great length is a state not unlike the city states which dominated the Mediterranean in the philosopher’s own day. It is wealthy. It is cultured. It has works of art and imposing public buildings; it is also a war-like state which threatens its neighbours; but there is no hint of any higher technology - none of the gas-balloons and crystal powered TV - which figure in later versions of the story.
It is exactly the kind of state that we can imagine a person living in ancient Greece might picture if he were to speculate about times gone by.
There are no other references to Atlantis in the ancient world that are not informed by Plato’s original story.
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Modern day Atlantis
After that Atlantis was all-but forgotten. Until the 19th century, that is, when the Russian mystic and founder of the Theosophy movement, Madame Helena Petrova Blavatsky (1831 - 1891) revived interest in the mythical Island by mentioning it in her first book, Isis Unveiled, published in 1877. She continued her explorations of the idea in her major work, The Secret Doctrine in 1888, in which she gives many more details.
Around the same time, in 1882, US congressman Ignatius L. Donnelly (1831–1901) published his famous Atlantis: the Antediluvian World . Donnelly is usually given credit as the “father of modern Atlantis research” but from the close time connection, it seems possible that Blavatsky inspired him, and it is she who should be credited as the inspiration for the modern Atlantis movement.
In his book Donnelly includes Plato’s work as the starting point for his ideas about Atlantis and seeks to provide evidence that all ancient civilisations owed their knowledge, culture and technologies to an Atlantean past.
Donnelly even theorised that some crops like bananas were first cultivated in Atlantis and selective breeding by Atlantean scientists or farmers developed the seedless form we know today.
Will it rise again?
Edgar Cayce (1877 – 1945), a popular psychic known as the “Sleeping Prophet,” famous for making predictions and diagnosing illnesses whilst in trance, had a lot to say about Atlantis including predicting that it would rise again.
According to Cayce, the people of Atlantis had gas balloons, planes, submarines, elevators, X-ray devices, “photographing at a distance machines” and televisions powered by crystals.
Cayce said that Atlantean society was divided into two long-lived political factions - a “good” faction called the “Sons of the Law of One,” and an “evil” group known as the “Sons of Belial.”
He maintained that many people alive today are the reincarnations of Atlantean souls, who must now face similar temptations as in their past lives. Cayce said that Atlantis suffered three major destructions, one of which was the deluge.
He predicted that evidence of Atlantis would be found in 1968-9 off Bimini, a chain of islands in the Bahamas, and in that year underwater explorer David Zink, aware of what Cayce had predicted, set sail and located a “sunken wall” off the coast of Bimini, along with some other artefacts. Debunkers claim that the divisions in the underwater rock formation he found were natural and not man-made, but Cayce’s supporters believe otherwise.
Lost Worlds
Atlantis was not the only island continent that went under the seas, according to some. Another place that suffered the same fate was Mu or Lemuria. In 1926 Colonel James Churchward (1851 - 1936) published The Lost Continent of Mu , the first of a series. Maps included with his books show clearly that all that is left of Mu are the Polynesian islands whilst on the other side of the globe the Canary Islands are what survived the destruction of Atlantis.
Physical evidence
A recent theory put forward by J.M. Allen centres on the Altiplano, an upland plain in Bolivia. Allen compared Plato’s description of the location of Atlantis with physical features found in the Altiplano, and he suggests that they matched Plato’s description on almost all points.
Another item of proof that Allen gives is Plato’s mention of a gold/copper alloy known as “orichalcum” that he maintains is only found in the Andes. Allen also says that the very name Atlantis is derived from two Native American words, “atl” meaning “water”, and “antis” meaning “copper”.
Recent underwater discoveries off the west coast of Cuba are said to be physical evidence of Atlantis as well as the undersea ruins found in the Bahamas in the Bimini area, already mentioned. In the ocean around Japan underwater pyramids were discovered and photographed in 1985.
Some authorities theorise that the catastrophic destruction of Atlantis was the result of volcanic action, while others say that it was caused by a nuclear conflagration. This ties in with descriptions given in ancient Vedic scriptures of battles fought amongst gods and men.
Top 10 books on Atlantis
- Timaeus and Critias by Plato, available in Penguin Classics.
- Atlantis, the Antedeluvian World , by Ignatius Donnelly.
- Edgar Cayce on Atlantis (Edgar Cayce series) by Edgar Evans Cayce.
- The Stones of Atlantis by David Zink.
- Isis Unveiled (1877) & The Secret Doctrine (1888) by Madame Blavatsky.
- Atlantis The Lost Continent Finally Found by Prof Arysio Nunes dos Santos.
- All & Everything: Beelzebub’s Tales To His Grandson by G.I. Gurdjieff.
- Atlantis, Alien Visitation and Genetic Manipulation by Michael Tsarion.
- When the Sky Fell: In Search of Atlantis by Rand and Rose Flem-Ath.
- Children of the Matrix by David Icke.
The secret location
Some authors such as Prof Arysio Nunes dos Santos suggest that India was an Atlantean colony as was ancient Egypt.
Prof Santos - who says he bases his theories on research in “Geology, Astronomy, Paleontology, Archaeology, Linguistics, Ethnology, Comparative Mythology, Comparative Religion, and Philosophy,” and who is a Professor of Nuclear Physics at the Federal University of Minas Gerais, Brazil - has struck out very much on his own and come up with a new location for Atlantis, placing it firmly under what is now the South China Sea, maintaining that the Indonesian islands are all that is left. He has a book out entitled Atlantis The Lost Continent Finally Found .
On his website – www.atlan.org - in answer to the question what was Atlantis? - it says: “Atlantis was a continent of the Atlantic Ocean where, according to Plato, an advanced civilization developed some 11,600 years ago. Plato affirms that, as the result of a huge volcanic cataclysm of worldwide extent, this continent sunk away under seas, disappearing forever.”
Asked: Is there a connection between Atlantis and the Great Pyramid? he says:
“Yes. The Great Pyramid — and indeed the pyramids the world over — represents the Holy Mountain, which is no other than Mt. Atlas, the Pillar of Heaven that was the central feature of Atlantis. Mount Atlas was in reality the giant volcano whose explosion destroyed Atlantis, causing the Flood and the end of the Pleistocene. In India, this Holy Mountain — which exists in most traditions — is called Mt. Meru, the Holy Mountain of Paradise.”
Professor Santos is keen to debunk all the other suggested sites for Atlantis such as the Mediterranean, the Caribbean, Antarctica and the North Sea but he points out that the Atlanteans had colonies worldwide.
He argues that people have misunderstood the location that Plato gave because the ancients had different meanings for the names of the oceans than the ones we use today.
Prof Santos explains: “The fact is that what we call by the name of ‘Atlantic Ocean’ is not the same as that of the ancients. Herodotus, Aristotle, Plato, Strabo, and several other ancient authors are very specific on the fact that the ‘Atlantic Ocean’ — otherwise called ‘Ocean of the Atlanteans’, ‘Outer Ocean’, ‘Kronian Ocean’, Mare Oceanum (‘Ocean Sea’) or Mare Magnum (‘Great Sea’) was indeed the whole of the ‘earth-encircling ocean’.”
The days of the week in Atlantis according to G.I. Gurdjieff in his book All & Everything: Beelzebub’s Tales To His Grandson:
( 1 ) Adashsikra ( 2 ) Evosikra ( 3 ) Cevorksikra ( 4 ) Midosikra ( 5 ) Maikosikra ( 6 ) Lookosikra ( 7 ) Soniasikra.
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Other theories
Not everybody agrees that Atlantis was an island, however, and Irish author, researcher and alternative historian, Michael Tsarion locates it as part of the ancient continent of Appalachia, where he believes it was the base of an extraterrestrial race referred to in the Bible as the Nephilim.
Tsarion says that these beings had been pursued here from elsewhere in the universe. He says that they tried to convince their pursuers that they were on the then existing water planet of Tiamat, whilst really they were hiding on Earth. This ruse worked and Tiamat was incinerated and broke up causing the asteroid belt as well as having a completely devastating effect on the Earth when a large part of its oceans fell here causing massive deluges.
His ideas are explained in detail in his book Atlantis, Alien Visitation and Genetic Manipulation where he explains:
“Atlantis was not a centre of advanced human civilisation, but was rather, the creation of and home to alien beings that colonized the earth.”
Also he says:
“The Nephilim established their main headquarters, Atlantis, on the continent of Appalachia. From this centre they would corral and experiment on the indigenous Earth inhabitants taken from cultures and tribes that were shaken asunder by the recent celestial catastrophe.”
Tsarion says that the extraterrestrials broke the code of what is allowed to other worldly races by interfering with the beings living on another planet. This they did by interbreeding with humans in an effort to create a slave race to work for them by mixing the alien and human DNA. This is referred to in the Bible, he says, where it tells of how the sons of God took wives from the daughters of men. Michael puts forward the idea that the evil in the world and in us has come from this mixing of alien DNA with human.
Tsarion cites British author, Comyns Beaumont (1873–1956) when he says: “The history of the Old Testament is the history of Atlantis.”
The Guanches of the Canary Islands
David Icke in his book The Children of the Matrix refers to the Guanches, a Neolithic blonde race who lived on the Canary Islands before the Spanish conquest, and he tells us that: “When European explorers first landed in the Canary Islands the people said they were descendants of the Atlanteans and were shocked to realise that other people had survived the cataclysm that destroyed their homeland.”
Other sources, however, say that the Guanches were descended from the Berber tribes of North Africa; but even then, there may still be a link because the Berber people live in the Atlas Mountain range, “Atlas” and “Atlantis” having the same root meaning.
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Suppressing evidence
Rand and Rose Flem-Ath are the authors of When the Sky Fell: In Search of Atlantis , and The Atlantis Blueprint: Unlocking the Mystery of a Long-Lost Civilization and they say that Atlantis was where Antarctica is now.
They make reference to the climate changes we are currently experiencing as evidence of just how big a change can take place on this planet and they say:
“In the summer of 1976, when we first began to explore the idea of Antarctica as the site of Atlantis, the notion that civilization and climate were intimately connected wasn’t part of the cultural template. More than three decades later, the daily impact of global warming reminds us just how fragile the web of civilization is and how easily it can be torn.”
Conspiracy theorist David Icke makes many references to Atlantis in his work. In his book Children of the Matrix he tells us that “a text detailing Atlantis, called The True History of Mankind Over The Last 100,000 Years was destroyed with thousands of others when the great library of Alexandria in Egypt was destroyed in AD 391.”
And David asks “Why isn’t the story of Atlantis and Mu a key part of official history? Because the knowledge has been systematically suppressed and destroyed.”
As to what Plato might have made of it all, we’ll leave it up to you to guess.
This story was published in Prediction magazine in September 2008 and was a collaboration between Steven Andrews (The Bard of Ely) and CJ Stone.
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Great stuff and truly fascinating. Well done to both of you, you obviously work well together :)
Wonderful read - and as long as we have no definite answers, the legend will continue inspiring artists all over!
A fascinating study of Atlantis, the great mystery. I'm going out to buy one of the books you list. Thanks for enlightening me!
Thanks for posting this, Chris! I am very pleased with it as an example of our work as a team!
What a great article! You guys are awesome! Congrats on selling it to Prediction. I forsee a series of Steve/CJ (CJ/Steve>?) books on the paranormal--soon to be available at our local booksellers. Seriously, you guys rock. Great collaboration.
On a completely unrelated note, for the past several weeks I've had the Donovan song "Catch the Wind" running through my head--you know how a song gets stuck in your head sometimes and you just keep hearing it even when you don't want to? Then I read Steve's hub on his Northern Shaman book, and there's Donovan singing "Colors" on that hub, and now here's Donovan on yours singing about Atlantis. What does it all mean? I think the porpoises are call me...
Fantastic hub! I've always had a fascination with Atlantis. There's just so much out there that we don't know and can never know, and it's those secret, hidden , forgotten things, that feed our imaginations and keep us dreaming...
Great article you guys. I was very pleased to hear Tsarion amoung other greats like Cayce and Donnelly. Take a look at the slideshows of the Atlantic floor on my page. I think you will find them stunning. www.myspace.com/thehighpriest
Very interesting!! I love science mysteries....I wonder if we'll ever know; if they'll reveal themselves to us....mmm?
I just love this hub! I love so much reading about vanished worlds... Excellent Hub!!!
Well done, my friends! This is an incredible example of excellence than can be achieved with joint research. Very well researched and immaculately presented.
TWO THUMBS UP!
*humbly bows*
I'd love to know if it's coming back or not, and I'm under conviction it was without a doubt a real island. Can't wait to see if we conquer this "myth" in our lifetime.
Great hub!
Fascinating hub, both. I remain highly skeptical on Atlantis, especially the Alien claims, but I do still have my original Donovan 45 rpm Atlantis single, bought when I was about 14, I think. Trivia question - what was the B-side? Answer - a rather banal little ditty called "I love my shirt".
Fascinating stuff, CJ. I suspect there is far more to human history and the history of this planet than we can currently even imagine. I have little doubt that Atlantis was a culture destroyed by some type of catastrophe. We have evidence of this very thing happening throughout history to numerous cultures. I've noticed that the further back in history these disasters take place, the more mythological they become: "If we don't have concrete evidence of some sort, it probably didn't really happen."
Too long ago to be considered recorded history. It would cool if someone found some kind of evidence, eh?
CJ, I think you and Bard of Ely are an interesting duo...now who could out do or match you even apart, but together??? Watch out world!! =))
I agree. I've always been blown away by how long the dinsaurs existed before they were wiped out: One hundred and sixty million years! We always think of them as just animals, but how much evolution must have taken place in that long a time? Just look how much Man has evolved in a few thousand years.
Their reign ended some 65 million years ago, so any evidence of structures they might have built are long gone, but you know, in all that time, they weren't just spending their lives trying to eat each other. Brains and intellect evolve, in all creatures. There had to be cultures going on, tribes, ideas, etc.
You're totally right; a few hundred thousand years - depending who you ask, I guess. From 400,000 to just 200,000... either way, still babies, eh?
Somewhere along the line, religion's 2,000 years has drilled itself into my brain.
Damn those sneaky bastards!
I love this. People also forget about how many cities were built upon how many other dities. How long has that been happening too--a very long time! The library had all kinds of good things in it and one of the resons it was burned was the suppression on knowldge -somehting religion did not and does not want anyone to know. I believe that Atlantis and Mu did exist. How can they not--really we have no idea what was built upon them or any of that. It seems to me that Atlantis and Mu were around before the major continents split up into what we now see. People aslo forget that part too. The land as we know it today was not the land that was then.
I think what I get out of what Cayce says about Atlantis rising--look at the political system and the 2 parties and some other things like the crytals in the Telvisions---TV before now used a crystal to bring in a picture when they first made them. There are alot of similarities in our present day that Cayce describes as Atlantis rising again. Just look around you and see the history that we live in.
It is an exciting time with the year 2012 coming around.
Religion has done quite a bit of history altering and destroying. Some attempts successful, some not. To me that is a crime against Man so heinous that I don't have words for it.
CJ, Yes that is what I am describing. We may never know how extensive the land was or how deep cities are because when we come upon the first one under the current city we think that is it and we must perserve that one without ever knowing if there is a much older one than that. Kind of like a double edge sword there isn't it?
Recently I saw a documentary about Atlantis being situated in south America, which could explain how advanced the Mayans were. but what if Atlantis is like troy, the mythical place where Achilles dies, Helen was taken and Odysseus defeated in Homer's epic the Odyssey... now proven to be real after some pre-deemed crack pot digs a hole in the ground and finds it.
Troy was myth, but now is truth. that is what myths really are, the child-like views of our ancestors, who wouldn't have had any real way of describing what they saw, so speak in the way a child does.
Eg. A child sees a shadow and says there is a great big monster outside his house, when it was just a trees shadow.
We must take what is available to us with a pinch of salt, and try to see through the eyes of the ancients.
also, has anyone heard of a series of fictitious books called 'The Secrets of the Immortal Nicholas Flamel.' although it is talking of a fantasy world, it does have views of Atlantis, or Danu Talis as it is called in the books, and is made of pretty big assumptions based on what we have, and the filling in the gaps. Very good reading though.
Back on topic, Edgar Cayce is one of my favourite profits and says that he got his knowledge from a spiritual library which contains the total sum of the book of life, the sum of all human history. What if all the profits used this library to tell the future including Nostradamus, who I believe to be Edgar Cayce’s past life, and the Mayans. What if it could be accessed as easily as Cayce said, then anyone could find out the truth and enlighten us all!!!
Wouldn’t it be weird if this library used to be real and exist on Atlantis, the power they used to destroy themselves was just knowledge!!! For it was knowledge in the form of an apple which cast man from Eden, so what if this just refers to Eden as Atlantis, a paradise, and they could never return because it was sunk beneath the waves. this would mean that it might be in the centre of the Bermuda triangle, as the things that go missing there are through the ruminants of Atlantian tech or divine intervention taking people who go there as they should not be there.
It is also knowledge that drives us even now to our doom, our technological prowess sped up global warming and it is our tech that is destroying the world. Knowledge is the way of destruction, but is ignorance really any better??? I let you all decide.
All this thinking and views makes my head hurt!!!
Soz for taking up so much room on the page, which rules by the way.
by the way, nice nickname C.J.
And cool aliase 'Bard of Ely,'
My aliase is still better though, i think, lol
anyone who reads this should vote!!!
Type BoE for Bard of Ely
Type MoFK for The Magi of Forbidden Knowledge
there might be...
thanks for the tip :)
Hi CJStone,
I really enjoyed reading this hub.
I'm totally fascinated by Atlantis mystery and Egypt,
so I will like to invite you to take a look to my hubs,
Maybe something is under the Bermuda Triangle also. That seems a more likely place for aliens!
loved reading this page, how fascinating our world is! so glad to be alive...i say aliens are to thank for our being here.
I have read many of Icke's books and learned a great deal from him. Our extra terrestrial roots, and the suppression of information to control the masses.I would like to find more information on Lemuria.
You have alot of information in this hub so good job on that. The image of the map you have on here shows Atlantis in the middle of the Atlantic ocean, it is also way too big. You can find the measurements for a stadia here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stadia_(length)
Do you know where he got the map from?
I see, and I agree. Atlantis could not have been that big. And it does not account for the island hopping people had to do to reach the other side where Plato states Atlantis was. Thank you for your time in answering my questions. And once again great article. No need for me to make a hub like this then :)
CJ, a fascinating article. Covers a lot of territory.
There have been many structures that remain enigmatic, pre-dating known civilizations -- 200+ ton stones in Peru and Lebanon, plus stonework in Lixus, Morocco similar to the unsourced stonework in Peru. http://www.atlantisquest.com has more information on these and other aspects to the Atlantis story. That website has some pretty amazing research. Nothing on the structures says "Atlantis," but the possibility remains that Atlantis could've been real and could have created these and other structures.
My own research has uncovered proof of an Atlantis-like event about 9620 BC. Three pieces of evidence, each from a different field of science, all point to the same date. None of them directly point to Atlantis, but Plato's lost island remains the likeliest suspect since it supposedly subsided about 9600 BC. And one of those items involves a worldwide drop in sea levels by 2 meters -- consistent with an Atlantis-sized landmass subsiding about one kilometer somewhere in the oceans of Earth.
While I love exploring this stuff, I do so with a rational--and careful--mind! Atlantis was considered a myth in Plato's time (the story may even have been invented by Plato himself to illustrate his point) and, of course, no credible modern evidence has been found to support the existence of the fabled city (here's a good link to get anyone started on the search for the truth-- http://www.ramtops.co.uk/).
That being said, Atlantis figures prominently in my new thriller novel "Emerald". In the story, one of the lead characters speculates that "Atlantis" was an advanced (in terms of language and learning) Neolithic culture (a remnant of the Cro-Magnons) living on the shores of the Black Sea. When the Aegean broke through the plug of the Bosphorus around 7,500 years ago, the Black Sea was drowned in salt water and the inhabitants around the shore were wiped out and scattered. The Atlantis myth was born.
Possible? Why not? It's fun to speculate!
Brian January
Thanks, CJ!
I'm an open-minded skeptic on these matters--meaning, I'm happy to believe anything as long as there's some proof--lol! Unfortunately, I can't find any proof to support the existence of a huge sunken continent anywhere on the planet. You might make a case for Thera, but that was sufficiently close to Plato's time that the myth-making process wouldn't have kicked in yet--but he could have used the eruption as a model for his cautionary tale.
I was excited to learn about the Spartel Bank, but the data doesn't add up. I personally lean toward the Black Sea flooding and subsequent diaspora as the ultimate source of the Atlantis myth.
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ColdWarBaby 3 years ago
“There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.”
--Hamlet, scene v
Atlantis is always interesting and thought provoking. Enough so that quite a bit of money has been spent trying to prove or disprove its existence.
Paranormal activities, UFOs, crop circles, yeti, Loch Ness, Nostradamus, ghosts, lost cities and treasures.
It's rather nice that there are so many things we don't have really satisfactory answers to.